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		<title>Comment on Five Albert Halls (at least) by Colin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 16:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It a farce! Here in Saffron Walden they fill in a hole that has been there for months and leave another only a foot away.  The the cabinet member writes in the press about the wonderful job he is getting done for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It a farce! Here in Saffron Walden they fill in a hole that has been there for months and leave another only a foot away.  The the cabinet member writes in the press about the wonderful job he is getting done for us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anarko Junk, Crass Live At The Witham Labour Hall 1981 by Paolo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 17:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was at this concert, afterwards a group of us were attacked in a bus shelter by skinheads/mods with baseball bats. Unfortunately this memory seems to have suppressed any other memories of the event.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at this concert, afterwards a group of us were attacked in a bus shelter by skinheads/mods with baseball bats. Unfortunately this memory seems to have suppressed any other memories of the event.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only one in sixteen pupils who have free school meals will attend one of the town’s grammar schools by jayman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 21:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you consider the pupil premium, children with &#039;statements&#039; (SEN) pupils on &#039;action&#039; or &#039;action plus&#039; the void between local authority state schools and grammar schools is even wider and the pressure on chase high school or futures school ect is crushing for the teachers and the students who receive an education there. grammar schools act simply to cream off the few talented and financially supported pupils in the borough whilst maintaining an antiquated social dichotomy and drawing in students from outside the borough with the same. 

This does not give further consideration to the blatant &#039;book cookery&#039; that is &#039;academies&#039; and &#039;free schools&#039;. (the term &#039;free school&#039; is so Dickensian I&#039;m surprised the Tories got away with it) Some say that the eradication of grammar schools will lower standards. I say, with no single/standard curriculum any more, where is the evidence of a basic &#039;standard&#039; to begin with!.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you consider the pupil premium, children with &#8216;statements&#8217; (SEN) pupils on &#8216;action&#8217; or &#8216;action plus&#8217; the void between local authority state schools and grammar schools is even wider and the pressure on chase high school or futures school ect is crushing for the teachers and the students who receive an education there. grammar schools act simply to cream off the few talented and financially supported pupils in the borough whilst maintaining an antiquated social dichotomy and drawing in students from outside the borough with the same. </p>
<p>This does not give further consideration to the blatant &#8216;book cookery&#8217; that is &#8216;academies&#8217; and &#8216;free schools&#8217;. (the term &#8216;free school&#8217; is so Dickensian I&#8217;m surprised the Tories got away with it) Some say that the eradication of grammar schools will lower standards. I say, with no single/standard curriculum any more, where is the evidence of a basic &#8216;standard&#8217; to begin with!.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Only one in sixteen pupils who have free school meals will attend one of the town’s grammar schools by outsidethemarginals</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 13:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Only one in sixteen pupils who have free school meals &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; attend one of the town’s grammar schools&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ignoring the specific schools (I am from outside the county) I am interested to dig a bit deeper into this issue because (as previously mentioned) I suspect there is a deeper issue, possibly of aspirations.  I suspect the &quot;will&quot; in the above is not actually proven (although many of us would suspect that FSM are a &lt;em&gt;predictor&lt;/em&gt; of schooling).

Can we look at feeder schools and for each school look at the comparative likelihood of going on to grammar school for those getting FSM and those not getting FSM? (e.g. Can we say things like, &quot;for feeder school X, you are half as likely to go to grammar school if you get FSM than if you don&#039;t&quot;?)

If those not getting FSM are more likely to go to grammar school than classmates who don&#039;t, we then have some form of correlation of FSM/wealth with admission to grammar school.  We then need to see (at the individual feeder school level) whether there is any academic (for want of a better word) difference between those getting/not getting FSM. 

If those not getting FSM are more academically able than those who do, the focus should be not so much on the Grammar School selection (what ever we think of the concept of selection), but on why at the end of your time in a feeder school you are more academically able if you don&#039;t get FSM than if you do.

If there is no academic difference in a particular feeder school between those getting/not getting FSM, but there is a difference in likelihood of going on to grammar school, is there then an issue of aspirations?  These may be set by teachers or parents or peers.  I remember a senior shop superintendent in a Railway Works who used to say &quot;11+ failure, that&#039;s me, I don&#039;t hold with my kids going to grammar school; what was good enough for me, is good enough for them&quot;.

On the other hand;

If for a particular feeder school, FSM is not a good predictor of your likelihood to go on to grammar school (but that feeder school sends a disproportionately low proportion of its pupils to grammar school), the implication is either, that grammar schools are discriminating between schools rather than between potential entrants, or in the feeder school the aspirations of their pupils are that they do not want to go to grammar school.  In either case we then need to know why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Only one in sixteen pupils who have free school meals <em>will</em> attend one of the town’s grammar schools</p></blockquote>
<p>Ignoring the specific schools (I am from outside the county) I am interested to dig a bit deeper into this issue because (as previously mentioned) I suspect there is a deeper issue, possibly of aspirations.  I suspect the &#8220;will&#8221; in the above is not actually proven (although many of us would suspect that FSM are a <em>predictor</em> of schooling).</p>
<p>Can we look at feeder schools and for each school look at the comparative likelihood of going on to grammar school for those getting FSM and those not getting FSM? (e.g. Can we say things like, &#8220;for feeder school X, you are half as likely to go to grammar school if you get FSM than if you don&#8217;t&#8221;?)</p>
<p>If those not getting FSM are more likely to go to grammar school than classmates who don&#8217;t, we then have some form of correlation of FSM/wealth with admission to grammar school.  We then need to see (at the individual feeder school level) whether there is any academic (for want of a better word) difference between those getting/not getting FSM. </p>
<p>If those not getting FSM are more academically able than those who do, the focus should be not so much on the Grammar School selection (what ever we think of the concept of selection), but on why at the end of your time in a feeder school you are more academically able if you don&#8217;t get FSM than if you do.</p>
<p>If there is no academic difference in a particular feeder school between those getting/not getting FSM, but there is a difference in likelihood of going on to grammar school, is there then an issue of aspirations?  These may be set by teachers or parents or peers.  I remember a senior shop superintendent in a Railway Works who used to say &#8220;11+ failure, that&#8217;s me, I don&#8217;t hold with my kids going to grammar school; what was good enough for me, is good enough for them&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the other hand;</p>
<p>If for a particular feeder school, FSM is not a good predictor of your likelihood to go on to grammar school (but that feeder school sends a disproportionately low proportion of its pupils to grammar school), the implication is either, that grammar schools are discriminating between schools rather than between potential entrants, or in the feeder school the aspirations of their pupils are that they do not want to go to grammar school.  In either case we then need to know why.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How would you spend £623,875? by Julian Ware-Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Ware-Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 11:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Practise? No! With this sort of revelation one cannot help but feel angry. This is my money, your money, everyone&#039;s money that has been so badly spent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Practise? No! With this sort of revelation one cannot help but feel angry. This is my money, your money, everyone&#8217;s money that has been so badly spent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How would you spend £623,875? by WhoToChoose</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhoToChoose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 11:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julian
I do not think I have ever seen a better grumpy man photo than yours in the Echo! LoL Did you practice it in front of the mirror?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian<br />
I do not think I have ever seen a better grumpy man photo than yours in the Echo! LoL Did you practice it in front of the mirror?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Con to Lab swings in Essex by Julian Ware-Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Ware-Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 06:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would not swap our policies for yours!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not swap our policies for yours!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Con to Lab swings in Essex by James Moyies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Moyies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 19:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t swap our swing for yours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t swap our swing for yours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Con to Lab swings in Essex by Julian Ware-Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Ware-Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 11:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think another 1.5% swing to us from the Tories woul;d have sealed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another 1.5% swing to us from the Tories woul;d have sealed it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How would you spend £623,875? by WhoToChoose</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhoToChoose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 07:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most frightening thing is the NHS on BBC2 last night a programme in which a surgeons team were labelling all the medical equipment with prices so that the surgical team could see the waste caused if they misused something. A good idea in prinicipal but the surgeons comment was that items that were charged to the NHS at £600 could probably be made for £20. The reason for the high charge no one in the NHS or government gets tough with the suppliers they run virtual monopolies. Again it is our money and the majority of civil servants and politicians cannot see that. They may say that they try and deliver value ( I hate that term) but they always come out with excuses they never get tough with businesses they just roll over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most frightening thing is the NHS on BBC2 last night a programme in which a surgeons team were labelling all the medical equipment with prices so that the surgical team could see the waste caused if they misused something. A good idea in prinicipal but the surgeons comment was that items that were charged to the NHS at £600 could probably be made for £20. The reason for the high charge no one in the NHS or government gets tough with the suppliers they run virtual monopolies. Again it is our money and the majority of civil servants and politicians cannot see that. They may say that they try and deliver value ( I hate that term) but they always come out with excuses they never get tough with businesses they just roll over.</p>
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