Cruising
February 11, 2013 16 Comments
I have been accused of duplicity in my views of cruising. I do not think I have been deceptive or have engaged in double-dealing. I think my line here has been pretty steady. Whilst I may not written on this subject before I really haven’t changed my views over the years.
I recall my teenage self wandering down to Pier Hill to take a peek at the fortnightly cruise nights we had then. These were occasions when young people (and some not so young) and their fancy automobiles cruised up and down the seafront. I do not recall how often I went there, perhaps only two or three times. I remember that my curiosity gave way to boredom after ten minutes or so; it just was not my ‘thing’. Then again, I doubt the cruisers would have enjoyed my then twin pursuits of political debate and music making.
I also recall being caught up in the cruises on a couple of occasions in later years when using the seafront as a route home from a night out somewhere. I liked to take the children along the seafront to see the bright lights of the Golden Mile, and being stuck in slow moving traffic was my reward. The cruisers seemed well-behaved and good natured, and not especially noisy – although I do not doubt reports that some could give way to high jinks.
The cruises struck me as a type of teenage carnival. Young men impressing girls with glitzy and well looked after cars, often with noisy sound systems and flashing lights.
These gatherings must have brought pleasure to the seafront traders. There were as many spectators as participants, and many bought food, candy and drink.
In any large gathering (and not so large if you are posh boys at Eton) there is bound to be some trouble. Is this a reason for banning? – well if it is then we would have no more classical concerts in Priory Park. This is where adequate policing and conversations with organisers is so important. The town is happy to host large noisy gatherings when it wants to, but is very po-faced if these are likely to see large numbers of youngsters enjoying themselves.
My previous posting was about by exasperation with the poor behaviour of two Conservative councillors. The email they like to misquote me on included this:
I think we should encourage cruises. I accept that they must be properly organised, but it is about time this town thought about its young people.
Cllr Cox was “staggered that a Labour Milton councillor …… [was] actually critical of officers and the administration for obtaining the injunction.”
Cllr Holdcroft was “surprised to see that Labour’s new Labour Councillor in Milton was vocal in opposing the obtaining the injunction”.
Nowhere have I mentioned the injunction or criticised officers. My comment was about cruises in general. I have no problem with them disagreeing with me but if they are going to out my private correspondence they could at least attempt to get the facts right.
And I repeat: I think we should encourage cruises.
Julian
i agree with you we should encourage Cruise nights Southend needs all the trade it can get. Lets embrace this culture and see how it can be best focussed so that the people that then choose to cause a nuisance are not given any excuse. I think any normal intelligent person cab distinguish between “Cruise Nights” and “Boy Racers in car parks”
I am suprised that your fellow councillors have overstepped teh mark. Perhaps if they focussed on the issue and not the politics then things would get done.
I am not sure I recognise the term ‘fellow’ when it comes to these two. I am embarrassed by the association.
Very loose association
Like you Julian, I can remember the Cruise nights in my teenage days. They were fun for the spectators and part of the ‘atmosphere’ of the sea front on those nights. Obviously times change and as cars now go faster they probably need a little bit more supervision than in the days when cars made far more noise in proportion to the speed they could achieve!
But your comment now is about those who are deliberately misreading your previous post to make a party political point. It is so sad when others find this is the only way that they can ‘score’ again a political opponent. Because they have no real policies of their own, they have to invent misquotes to attack you. It is sad because it wastes your time putting their mis-statements to rights. But at least they are wasting their time thinking of silly thing with which to attack you….
Julian, I will repeat it again and again until I am blue in the face. This ‘event’ wasn’t authorised. If it was an authorised event then certain controls could have been placed to mitigate impact to residents as well as event organisers getting what they wanted from the event. Unauthorised events also place a drain on police resources.
The organisers of this so called event were talking about the ‘takeover’ of Southend. With the risks associated it left very little option to take to ensure public safety. The injuction does not rule out authorised cruise events being sanctioned for the year the injunction is in place.
Criticise me, fine, but it is spiteful and stupid to indulge in class warefare because you are in a hole and do not know when to stop digging. I always find it ironic when the Labour movement want to use the ‘posh Eaton boys’ line, they conveniently forget that most of the Labour shaddow cabinet are multi millionaires and were privately educated. Still, do as I say and not as I do is not a way that I wish to conduct my politics.
I am not sure I understand Cllr Coxs comments as Julian appears to be pointing out that not all cruises are an issue and that he undersatnds that this particular cruise should be banned. But do not throw the baby out with the bath water. Southend needs revenue and shoudl explore every avenue, it already allows a Motorcycle Rally so lets look at how we could generate legal interest in a cruise event that promote Southend and boosts tourism.
WhoToChoose this is the point, Julian wanted to see the unauthorised event take place on Saturday night.
Cllr Tony Cox: You have proof of that? I reckon you are sailing perilously close to libel here.
Julian, I have no doubt that you want to properly organised cruises, but did you or did you not want to see Saturday’s event take place?
Cllr Tony Cox: Is this an admission that you have no proof of what you wrote? At least when I criticise I link to original articles.
You have tried to make a cheap political point. We have enough to disagree on without you (and Cllr Holdcroft) having to resort to lies. I am not shy in stating my views.
Do you still think you have nothing to apologise for?
Julian, I have full proof of what you wrote. You responded to Cllr Garston who made the point that he agreed with the action to prevent the unauthorised event. Did you or did you not respond saying:
“I feel obliged to point out to everyone that you are one-third of the representatives for Milton, and whilst I don’t doubt Maria shares your views I regretfully admit that I do not.”
Now I will ask one final time for clarity sake so all the readers of your blog are clear, did you or did you not want the unauthorised event on Saturday to take place?
If you read Cllr J Garston’s email and my reply it is a general discussion on cruises. I have made no comment regarding the weekend’s (non) event. I have no desire to embarrass Jonathan by reproducing his email.
Cllr M Caunce has also replied (just to me) and it is clear she has taken an entirely different interpretation from you.
You and Nigel are both guilty of terminlogical inexactitudes regarding what I wrote and meant. Not only have you broken confidentiality, but you have misrepresented me.
Sorry Julian, no confidentiality and no misepresentation from where I am standing
So you think that saying I was “critical of officers and the administration for obtaining the injunction” without anything to back this up is not misrepresentation? You also think that mentioning private emails does not break confidentiality? You are standing in a most peculiar place.
Cllr cox is showing all that is wrong with politics today. Instead of identifying, discussing and resolving the problems of the day it is spin and trying to make something out of nothing. Without seeing the e mails (which I agree with Julian are confidential) but reading what has been written here it is obvious that Julian
a) Commented on Cruises in general
b) Does not support illegal gatherings
c) Is a man of principal
Everybody is entitled to their opinion and everyone is allowed to clarify their statements the amount of time that both local and national politicians spend in name calling and trying to trap each other is amazing. Please lets get on with the job in hand and perhaps just perhaps we can get out of this mess.
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